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Larry Bugg
03-17-2015, 11:47 PM
About a month ago I decided I wanted to give wild angels a try and narrowed my wishes down to Manacapura Red shoulders. Not so easy to find though. After doing a lot of searching I found an old post on one of the angelfish forums stating that Jon (Mugwump) bred them. Just happens that I know Jon from a Discus forum so I shot him a PM asking if by chance he had any available for sale. To my surprise he replied that he had some Manacapura F2 and Sta Isabel x Rio Negro F2's pre breeders that he was growing out for his own breeder stock and he thought he could part with 3 of each. After waiting out yet another snow/ice storm they finally arrived 1 week ago. I've kept and bred a good many domestics but never wilds. These guys are sooooo different especially at feeding time. It has been fun watching them settle in. Anyway here are some pics and a video I took tonight. You can see the red starting to come out in the shoulders.



http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221527_zpsenefxlte.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221527_zpsenefxlte.jpg.html)


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http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221631_zpsc1hpegf7.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221631_zpsc1hpegf7.jpg.html)


http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221439_zpsafy1tlsd.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221439_zpsafy1tlsd.jpg.html)


http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/20150317_220729_zpsembb8mzk.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/20150317_220729_zpsembb8mzk.jpg.html)


http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/20150317_220757_zpsfm3ca3mm.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/20150317_220757_zpsfm3ca3mm.jpg.html)


http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221340_zpsqyx9ak6x.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221340_zpsqyx9ak6x.jpg.html)


http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/20150317_220818_zpsqa9uxfn5.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/20150317_220818_zpsqa9uxfn5.jpg.html)


http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/20150317_220953_zpsbwhtmw5z.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/20150317_220953_zpsbwhtmw5z.jpg.html)


http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/20150317_220949_zpseywupnr3.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/20150317_220949_zpseywupnr3.jpg.html)


http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221018_zpshrbavlll.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/20150317_221018_zpshrbavlll.jpg.html)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfRzRhH4xP8&feature=youtu.be

peathenster
03-18-2015, 01:31 PM
Awesome! Hope you can get pairs from them. Wilds are definitely very different form domestic strains :)

Are these from the batch bred by Neil Oyama?

jimfur80
03-18-2015, 02:44 PM
I had a chance to see these in person and they are awesome.

Jim
Dacula

Larry Bugg
03-18-2015, 05:50 PM
Awesome! Hope you can get pairs from them. Wilds are definitely very different form domestic strains :)

Are these from the batch bred by Neil Oyama?

The Santa Isabel x Rio Negro/PB are from a pair that Jon got from Neil. I'm not sure where Jon originally got his Manacapurs's. They are a little under a year old so I would like for them to do a little more growing and maturing before they start breeding.

Larry Bugg
03-18-2015, 05:51 PM
I had a chance to see these in person and they are awesome.

Jim
Dacula

Thanks Jim, I enjoyed the visit!!

Larry Bugg
04-04-2015, 06:47 PM
I've had these guys for about a month now. The red shoulders are starting to show more. Sometime between last night and this afternoon someone had a pretty decent spawn. Pretty sure the one guarding the eggs is the male but I have no idea who the female is. Didn't see the eggs laid and by the time I saw the clutch there were no tubes down. The male is the biggest of the crosses.

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0274_zpshlmjcit5.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0274_zpshlmjcit5.jpg.html)

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0267_zps8vlst8fg.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0267_zps8vlst8fg.jpg.html)

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0271_zpssb5t5wof.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0271_zpssb5t5wof.jpg.html)

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0268_zpsr5urhnz5.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0268_zpsr5urhnz5.jpg.html)

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0266_zpsrejo2fz3.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0266_zpsrejo2fz3.jpg.html)

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0273_zpswfsedn5z.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0273_zpswfsedn5z.jpg.html)

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0293_zpsz3cttvfd.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0293_zpsz3cttvfd.jpg.html)

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0312_zpsnvbl3joy.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0312_zpsnvbl3joy.jpg.html)

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0296_zpsjluiwief.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0296_zpsjluiwief.jpg.html)

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0300_zpsa34pl8ox.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0300_zpsa34pl8ox.jpg.html)

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0297_zpszvisibiz.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/Wild%20Angels/Wild%20Angels%204%204%2015/DSC_0297_zpszvisibiz.jpg.html)

peathenster
04-04-2015, 07:30 PM
Lol nice. Anybody's tube down?

Larry Bugg
04-04-2015, 07:33 PM
Lol nice. Anybody's tube down?

Not a single tube to be seen.

peathenster
04-04-2015, 08:01 PM
Is the male a mana or SIxNegro cross?

Larry Bugg
04-04-2015, 08:05 PM
Is the male a mana or SIxNegro cross?

The biggest of the crosses. Jon thought the smallest of the Mana's had laid eggs for him so that is probably the female but not sure.

peathenster
04-04-2015, 11:00 PM
Wow so they get all three. I bet its the first time ever. Cant wait to see how they turn out.

Larry Bugg
04-04-2015, 11:41 PM
Pretty sure I know which is the female now. The male finally calmed down and allowed her to come to the slate and help take care of protecting and fanning the eggs. It is the smallest of the Manacapura.

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/20150404_213338_zpsplcqlbzm.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/20150404_213338_zpsplcqlbzm.jpg.html)


http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/20150404_213330_zpsfmewrdjw.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/20150404_213330_zpsfmewrdjw.jpg.html)


http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/Bugman30040/20150404_213402_zpsavstuhmo.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/Bugman30040/media/20150404_213402_zpsavstuhmo.jpg.html)

mountainman36
04-05-2015, 09:55 AM
great! i have a large wild type that looks kinda similar, red shoulders. but i got it at Premier, so i dont know what it is. I sure hope you are successful with the spawn.

Larry Bugg
04-11-2015, 11:42 PM
I pulled the slate and put it in a 20. They went free swimming yesterday.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXScNKD2okU&feature=youtu.be