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aXio
11-09-2015, 11:10 PM
So I came across this today... a guy is selling Asian super red, red, gold, etc Arowana as well as stingrays. As far as I knew these were still very illegal in the USA. I contacted him and he is claiming has the proper CITIES paper work to go along with the fish. I can't seem to find anything online about this paper work. I'm thinking this guy might be a scammer. Anyone know anything about owning Asian Arowana now? I'm pretty ignorant on the topic unfortunately. Every time I ask him for information on the legality of owning these fish he just asks me to text him.

He is out of Douglasville GA. All his domains and site names are only a month or 2 old.

https://www.facebook.com/Super-Red-Arowana-fish-Stringray-available-828307720515762/timeline

http://www.leearowanafishery.com/

(http://www.leearowanafishery.com/)

Demonfish
11-10-2015, 12:35 AM
Last I heard it was still illegal to own stingrays in Georgia.

aXio
11-10-2015, 07:25 AM
Last I heard it was still illegal to own stingrays in Georgia.

The stingrays are a bit iffy. I believe you can own them in GA, you just can buy/sell/trade them in GA. But if this guy is really in Douglasville he is selling them illegally in this state. I'm more concerned about the Arowana.... those come with HUGE fines.

jhw972
11-10-2015, 08:58 AM
As to the Arowana, according to the entry on Wikipedia:
Asian arowanas are listed as endangered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endangered_species) by the 2006 IUCN Red List (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IUCN_Red_List), with the most recent evaluation taking place in 1996.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_arowana#cite_note-Kottelat_web-19) International trade in these fishes is controlled under the Convention on the International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Flora and Fauna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_International_Trade_in_Endangere d_Species_of_Wild_Flora_and_Fauna) (CITES), under which it was placed on Appendix I, the most restrictive category, in 1975.[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_arowana#cite_note-Fernando_1997-20) S. formosus is one of only eight fish species listed on Appendix I.[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_arowana#cite_note-Dawes_2001-21) A number of registered CITES breeders are in Asia, and the specimens they produce can be imported into several nations. Other nations restrict or prohibit possession of Asian arowanas; for example, the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) has listed this species under the Endangered Species Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endangered_Species_Act), so it cannot be kept in that country without a permit.[22]

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(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_arowana#cite_note-22)
Beginning in 1989, CITES began allowing Asian arowanas to be traded, provided certain criteria were met, most notably that they were bred in captivity on a fish farm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_farming) for at least two generations.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_arowana#cite_note-Dawes_2001_p22-24) The first of these farms was in Indonesia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia).[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_arowana#cite_note-Lee_web-23) Later, the Singapore government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Singapore)'s Agri-food and Veterinary Authority (then called the Primary Production Department) and a local fish exporter collaborated in a captive breeding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_breeding) program. Asian arowanas legally certified by CITES for trade became available from this program in 1994.[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_arowana#cite_note-Dawes_2001-21)

Captive-bred arowanas that are legal for trade under CITES are documented in two ways. First, fish farms provide each buyer with a certificate of authenticity and a birth certificate. Second, each specimen receives an implanted microchip (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_%28animal%29), called a passive integrated transponder, which identifies individual animals.[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_arowana#cite_note-Lee_web-23)


And checking the Feds, they are listed here http://ecos.fws.gov/tess_public/profile/speciesProfile?spcode=E01U. I would say that they are a big NoNo...

aXio
11-10-2015, 10:37 AM
Thank you for all the information sir!!!

peathenster
11-10-2015, 03:19 PM
As far as I know, Asian aros are still illegal in the US. Not in Canada though.

aXio
11-10-2015, 03:57 PM
Yeah I called Fish and Wild Life on this guy this morning. They are looking into it. It is people like this that will ruin the hobby for us if we aren't careful.

Organizations like PETA would have field day with this guy and turn around and blame it on the hobby as a whole.

Mark
11-10-2015, 09:46 PM
I sent his information to my USFWS service guy that contacts me about suspicious auctions on AquaBid.com

816 is a Kansas area code. Google the telephone number 816-336-9327, you will see a lot of arowana links. They live all over the US.

aXio
11-15-2015, 06:08 PM
I sent his information to my USFWS service guy that contacts me about suspicious auctions on AquaBid.com

816 is a Kansas area code. Google the telephone number 816-336-9327, you will see a lot of arowana links. They live all over the US.

Just saw that you replied. Thank you for doing that sir!