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Brittney Rau
03-26-2017, 05:52 PM
So I bought a trio of these from a LFS. I bought them as I was told they were one fish. I soon there after I realized they were NOT the fish I had hoped they were. Any ideas on what they are? I am pretty sure I need to get rid of them but I can't without knowing... :-/

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smitty
03-27-2017, 09:16 AM
Do you have a pic with a bit more light? Are there any markings on the anal or pelvic fins like dots or stripes? Is the stripe on the side just in the pic or does it have a continuous stripe down it? about what size, I think it looks to be 3" but I might be wrong

JoeBob
03-27-2017, 11:32 AM
Lighting is some what bad. It appears to be some specie of Melanochromis

Brittney Rau
03-27-2017, 01:36 PM
It's an SA tank so it's tannin tinted. This the bad pic. Someone else said a melanochromis species on FB. There is an orange/yellow on the tip of the dorsal, anal fin and edges of caudal fin.


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Brittney Rau
03-27-2017, 01:39 PM
They aren't very big. Tank pic for comparison. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170327/9bf6f6fdcbfabdde62cae826f5b8ca20.jpg

Buckets were because I was dripping in auction fish yesterday.


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Brittney Rau
03-27-2017, 01:42 PM
Fin color: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170327/c365468e02300891d597859aa620acf8.jpg


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smitty
03-27-2017, 01:42 PM
What LFS was it, what did they say it was?

Brittney Rau
03-27-2017, 01:43 PM
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Brittney Rau
03-27-2017, 01:46 PM
It was one of the LFS in Athens. I bought them very small. Was told they were a dwarf cichlid. I didn't really see them until I got home and immediately told my husband that I thought they were Africans. That was a few months ago. They are growing fast. I've already had my male nannacara anomala and my big spotted golden nugget pleco not only turn up dead but with barely any of their bodies left. I blame the triplets. [emoji35]


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Mog Carns
03-27-2017, 01:53 PM
Ok, I will throw in the first guess.

Salvin's cichlid (Trichromis salvini)

smitty
03-27-2017, 01:58 PM
I was thinking a pseudotropheus, and it's also a dwarf cichlid.

Brittney Rau
03-27-2017, 02:03 PM
Dwarf as in apistogramma mcmasteri. The LFS proprietor even said that he had another customer that was waiting for them to color up because the other customer was looking for a female. That was enough for me to seal the deal of $45 without completely examining them. [emoji58][emoji17]. On a separate trip to this store (over an hour away) I bought two other apiatogramma (that really were apistos) and they died within two days. Needless to say I'm not going back there.


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Brittney Rau
03-27-2017, 02:05 PM
I feel dumb but months later I just want to identify them and figure out something else to do with them. I don't keep Africans at all. We have a fish room and a new 75g (thanks petsmart) that we're are thinking of doing either Africans or discus. Not sure which yet. But i need these out of my peaceful SA 125g.


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smitty
03-27-2017, 02:08 PM
It really doesn't look like a mcmasteri. The line across the body is a bit misleading, I wonder if they mixed up some juvenile bags. I don't like lfs apistos, they're often washed out or not in a befitting tank and it's hard to know what you're getting.

smitty
03-27-2017, 02:11 PM
I like to keep softer water fish cause that's what is on tap. Im just a lazy fishkeeper like that. After losing the pleco, I'd be looking to rehome them too.

Brittney Rau
03-27-2017, 02:37 PM
My tap is about 8.0 but I use RO among other things but I've had SA and CA for the last 20+ years (middle school lol).


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smitty
03-27-2017, 02:58 PM
Wow that's a lot different than my tap. Does it keep the ph if it sits for a day? If I had that, id probably try a African tank to mix things up a bit.

Larry Bugg
03-27-2017, 03:53 PM
Sometimes I think we get too hung up on PH. Have you checked your KH and GH? Betting they are fairly low? I'm on well water now and out of the tap my water is 8.0 and it stays in the 7.8 to 8.0 range but the funny thing is the GH is 3 and the KH is 5. So with a PH of 8.0 most people would consider my water hard but if they only know about the GH and KH they would consider it soft. What I do know is that my Discus are breeding like crazy and even my wilds seem to be very happy with the water.

aXio
03-27-2017, 04:23 PM
It definitely looks like an African cichlid. I think something in the Pseudotropheus, Melanochromis, Labidochromis type fish. They definitely get aggressive. And while they can acclimate to a soft/tannin aquarium they typically don't do well in one longer term. Might start having issues after a year or 2.

Larry Bugg
03-27-2017, 05:18 PM
Sometimes I think we get too hung up on PH. Have you checked your KH and GH? Betting they are fairly low? I'm on well water now and out of the tap my water is 8.0 and it stays in the 7.8 to 8.0 range but the funny thing is the GH is 3 and the KH is 5. So with a PH of 8.0 most people would consider my water hard but if they only know about the GH and KH they would consider it soft. What I do know is that my Discus are breeding like crazy and even my wilds seem to be very happy with the water.

I should have added that I bet your tds is very low also. Mine is a beautiful 62.

Brittney Rau
03-27-2017, 05:24 PM
I should have added that I bet your tds is very low also. Mine is a beautiful 62.

We are on well and our TDS out of tap fluctuates but right this second it's 124.


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smitty
03-27-2017, 05:53 PM
Id love to have a well. I wouldn't have to hear about how my water changes drive up the water bill (but it's ok to do extra water on the lawn) haha. It's probably a mile long drill down to my aquifer.

Hillstream or Discus would be my on the well tanks. Though being lazy I'd probably try to drip them and let the overflow drain outside

Tangfan
03-27-2017, 06:52 PM
I was the one on FB who said it was African. Shape isn't right for any SA species. Color is off though for most Africans so still has me stumped.

Tropical
03-27-2017, 07:59 PM
Even as not keeping Africans it looks like an African lake cichlid. Maybe take it out and take a picture in clear water with strong light?

You could also try posting it on the AfricanCichlidHub forum they're a nice group

Brittney Rau
03-29-2017, 01:18 PM
Ok so I'm at the end of my rope. I just got home and my biggest and longest owned geophagus surinamensis is half dead, missing an eye, multiple scales. Just about every other fish in there has ragged fins. I'm pissed. I was going to flush them but my husband calmed me down on the phone. Here's the problem. I can't catch them in my tank. They are usually all out in about but now they are scarce. It's like they know that they are in trouble. Maybe I'm crazy but here's my stock: electric blue scars pair, nannacara anomala, geophagus surinamensis, schwartzi corys, herotilapia multispinosa, krobia itanyi, small spot golden nugget pleco. The rainbows fins look the worst but everyone has bites on them. It has to be the Africans right? I'm so mad right now...


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smitty
03-29-2017, 01:26 PM
I'd blame them. Can you set a trap with the net and flush them in with your hand? Or net them when feeding?

Brittney Rau
03-29-2017, 01:35 PM
I'm thawing some bloodworms right now. I'm getting these f%#*^ers out even if I have to tear my tank apart. I put my geo in a refugium but he just passed. I don't think I've ever cussed out fish before. Enough is enough though. Fish murder #3. No body is spawning and there's no aggression that I see. It's weird because last night I felt uneasy about turning off the tank lights for bed. I didn't examine everything before I left this morning. I wish I had. My OG geo, Geoff might still be alive. [emoji29]

I'm not immune to fish dying because of aggression. I've had plenty of large SA cichlids (about 12 years ago I had a small jack kill my 12" beautiful jag rip) and I understand that it's nature but that's not what this particular tank is about. Ugh!


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smitty
03-29-2017, 02:03 PM
It's hard losing fish, especially in a docile tank. I'd get them out and try to rehome them on the forum or trade to the lfs for store credit for new fish.

Brittney Rau
04-03-2017, 10:40 PM
UPDATE! NEW PICS!!

Ok, after completely dismantling and removing everything from the 125g we caught the triplets and put them in a 10g in the fish room. This was several days ago but I just now got around to posting. Two of them stay striped and one stays solid.

Side note: all fish in the 125g are happy, not hiding, all fins and wounds are healing. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170404/2c5fe8d578f0d3247bed19e0491f434d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170404/fb0e054962add0c9eff2ec48bc0fab8e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170404/a5ae91b5c4db132f066afc84b37b8618.jpg


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smitty
04-04-2017, 08:40 AM
i want to say crabro but i think its got too much black in the tail. im sure someone here can resolve this mystery with that pattering showing, i want answers too haha

Tangfan
04-04-2017, 08:41 AM
I have not kept any Mbuna in years, but those are definitely Mbuna (type of Africa Cichlid from Lake Malawi). Look to be a Psuedotropheus of some type (Melanachromis were initially part of Psuedotropheus and were broken out). Psuedotropheus is truly just a holding class which are meant to be reclassified at some point. Last picture with the bars showing looks to be a Bumble Bee (cannot remember the exact scientific name for that one) while the first 2 still look to be a Melanachromis type of fish.

Bottom line, these guys all have attitudes, one of the main reason I haven't kept them in awhile. Other Africans like the Haplochromis, Aulonocara (Peacocks), and the cichlids from Lake Tanganyika are not as aggressive. I have never really gotten into the Victorian cichlids, so I will defer comment on them.

Hope this helps.

FlutteryFins
04-20-2017, 09:42 AM
Please keep in mind that is has been over 25 years since I last kept Mbuna. The triplets of terror look like they might be Mbuna hybrids, I had some cross mingle in a fully rocked out 40 long and the results were all kind of muddy and nondescript looking like these. My vote is Frankenfish.

fishfarm
04-24-2017, 11:05 AM
Melenachromis aurautus, mean as hell, either go with an mbuna tank or get rid of them